about a dozen or more waiting for a job,
about a hundred of us there, but it was very clique-ey and
about eight of us in that front bedroom.
about eight people doing one thing and it did-- it wasn 't as much fun.
about fifty of us in college you-see
about five of them and
about five you-know.
about fo-- four relationships that have- have broken up
about forty odd people al-- altogether.  Well
about four main companies, but they were all self supporting.
about four of us and I had a little gang, a youngster.
about four of us left.
about four of us that were going out with people as well,
about four pubs in Dunnington at that time,
about four years and then youngest one
about nine- nine cinemas in York in them days.
about oh seven or eight, they were all advertised in- in the Evening-Press.  Oh
about seven lads got into a Bedford Van
about seven or eight,
about six of us.
about six of us going on holiday together.
about six of us walked out.
about six or eight picture-houses in the town.
about s-- somewhere near a thousand men.
about ten ... and they all- all knew you.
about ten of us, weren 't there? Walking by,
about twelve different groups on.
about twelve of us went.  So lasses as well.
about twelve thousand worked at Rowntree's.
about twenty-five, thirty of us.
about twenty-five-thousand tons of stone which was moving.
about twenty- twenty- twenty.
about two years.
about you-know, four bars that everybody went into,
a couple of armed guards
a couple of boys in there who were really good at art, they were both talented,
actually fourteen of us went, you-know,
aeroplanes on the Knavesmire, I remember seeing one there.
aeroplanes there.
a few, but not many.
a few good laughs, wasn 't there? Like Dobbo and that.
a few married set-ups there and it wasn 't to be recommended really.
a few of us you-know, so we bought this, yeah, negotiated a price you-know,
a few other people around who wanted to come and sit in my wonderful garden over the road.
air-raids and we had bombs in the street on Axby-Road.
air-raid shelters built across then we used to in there on a night.
air-raids round and
all boys and me.
all kinds of stuff to handle.
all little houses in there.
all my er sisters and brothers and everybody in the house.
all nine of us,
all old carpets and pictures and they were all taken to my father-in-laws field and burnt
all people on the committee and used to read them and then they 'd decide.
all people's belongings, you-know, that were stored in there until they could rehouse them,
all sorts of-.
all sorts of fish in there and stuff like that and we- we used to chase them up
all sorts of people, um, we have all your regulars you-know, that used to come in every week
all sorts of things.
all the people all round York who was all the people round York
all the search lights were sort of positioned weren 't they.
all these cats to try and find out how many
all these little black kids standing near the train you-know, shouting "Jambo, jambo!"
all these others just milling about.
all the workmen at er John-Brown 's shipyard,
all t WRAKs, women's camp next-door,
a lot of airmen billeted in York.
a lot of bosses weren 't, t
a lot of dances
a lot of dropping bombs all over the place.
a lot of er- er lads from down pit.
a lot of er problems I could see,
a lot of girls-schools and women's-colleges
a lot of... injured people.
a lot of lyke beach buggy poser types that are driving along.
a lot of minors out of work in Wales
a lot of people in the bar that night
a lot of shops.
also people from t' Yorkshire-and-Humberside-Tourist-Board, Museums-Council, rather.
always books in the house and that sort of thing.
always girls that tied up with rough men,
always kids that were going missing.
always people getting barred so he was always-
always some lads that never had quite the energy of the others,
always two films on and you used to get an interval
Americans flying as Canadians, and er flying with British things you-know
any deliveries,
apparently a hundred people on the books, with staff,
a-thousand-five-hundred lads on the camp.
badgers in there, it was all full of badger sets,
big barracks, they 're mostly gone now.
big factories, big-.
big goods-yards and that 's what they were doing
bi-- some big families in those days.
black clouds all round, so they called anchor and it started to pour down,
bombings and- over in Northern-Ireland
boxes all over the factory, go out on a Monday and collect all those.
bricks flying in.  And you-know, it 's just kids, kids,
Brubakers at yon end, at the Brewers-Arms behind Mer-- Macmillan's.
Buckingham-Palace chocolates and tea- er- no not tea-shirts.
campaigns in pubs for example for a- a venue.
cer-- certain grades of an award and they 'd get money for- for doing that
certain days going to an Anglican school I got ascension day off I remember.
certain things happened.
chairs in.
children off Osbaldwick-Lane, they were some new council-houses
classrooms there.  And we used to do games either at Fishergate school
Cliff-Richard and all them, but I mean, it was every Sunday night
coach outings as there are now, of you went on an outing it was always by train.
coal lorries around in them days.
couples there where-  if a devious woman she used to try to use them you-see.
curators,
cycles everywhere you went
cycles kicking about, everywhere.
dance halls (Tape ends side b 34.2).
different types of staff, you-now there was curators, there was marketing people,
dogs poisioned along here before he came and he had a pet shop, a pet shop, a pet shop.
doors all over the place but as-you-say they 're locked now which is a good thing.
eight bedrooms in t' house, it was a massive house.  But
eight of them.
eight of us in a three-bedroomed terrace- er in a three-bedroomed semi.
eight there when we went to live there.
eleven, but I 've been wracking my brains
enough of you there, they 'd stop an excursion or stop a train as a special request stop,
er - oh, I forget how many hundred soldiers int Artillery,
er, one two three four five six, seven, eight.
er- some er- buildings on the ground floor
er two- we had two occasion.  Two days.
ever any problems.
ever so many of them and er, one of them was Strensall,
families, wasn 't there, just the other side.
fifty in our class
fights and we used to g-- if there was ever any trouble in York,
firemen killed.  One Sunday afternoon we had a bad raid, one Sunday afternoon, mm.
five children in then, er- er- our youngest was born at just a bit later,
five of us of course so he squeezed three in, and two walked.
five or six,
five or six children in the family.
four classes in this one school.
four lads and two girls in our family.
four of these houses, like two semi-detached houses,
four of us in the front bedroom, which luckily, is a big bedroom,
four of us, they were meant to be lyke, for separate people, two in one, two in the other, and
four of us we were sharing lyke, these two rooms.
four other bikes behind us
four people for the holiday.
four porters in Heslington-Hall.
four re-- four retired people and two er, a young couple.
four seats and-so-on.
fourteen of us, because some of the girls that we went with,
fourteen weeks of solid frost.  That 's a long while in 't it?  (21.0)
four years between him and t' next one,
foxes were coming through and what-not.
fucking loads of us!
girls that could swear as good- as good as some of the fellas, but they didn 't use it.
good times as well as er as well er difficult.
great big craters, where the bombs had er fallen you-know.
groups of children.  I-mean sometimes you you hear them sort-of going up and down the street,
hares and rabbits running about there.
hares and rats.  you see where them houses are now.  There were hares and rabbits running about there.
hundred-and-thirty of them went straight to Leeds for killing,
jobs them days.
just all sorts of people went in there.
just little pensions with the maybe ten rooms, and er, very cheap
just loads of big sharp rocks, I was winded, that 's it,
just not any married women teachers.
just these kids that were scattered about.
just two of us in -
kids in the back," you-see, so he was totally freaked out by that, you-know,
like ten candidates for it,
literally hundreds, well not hundreds but lots of people all wanted this house.
loads of fantastic galleries for you to see.
lots and lots of pubs that have been up and down are closed yeah.
lots of bombs dropped in that area.
lots of butchers' shops, and hope that your bull run down the passage
lots of cinemas,
lots of dance halls, now then- most-
lots of folk watching that I knew I could talk to.
lots of little private maternity hospitals kept up in the town there.
lots of people that um, when their childre-- when their babies were born,
lots of rabbits pies and things.  They used- people used to put rabbit pies suppers on
lots of rides, the Jaws ride and really good things, um.
lots of scuffs on them.
lots of things and I o-- I often wonder ho-- if there was a lot of abuse with them you-know,
lots of very interesting ones there.
lots on foot because many more people worked there than now.
lyke about four of us, who really could have got an A,
lyke about two people in there, you-know.
lyke, as-I-say three of us, I-mean I did all the chemistry I could, all the physics I could,
lyke five bars and that 's it.
lyke gulleys across the field, they weren 't normally full of water
lyke half-a-dozen of us in the class, all having violin lessons,
lyke hundreds of people all over t' beach, we 're like "Oh, Jesus!"
lyke loads of cop-vans in t' - outside Art-Gallery,
lyke nine of the girls went to the wedding as well, so it was really good fun.
lyke, purple and green and yellow bruises from lyke, all these injections
lyke so many different ways to- to get through D-locks you-know.
lyke so many people in lyke- in my delivery-room,
lyke ten of us girls, and then we met another ten lads
lyke these groups of people everywhere lyke shagging away,
lyke three of us (inc).
lyke three - there was  lyke Naburn-Hospital,
lyke, too many glass collectors so they stuck me on door you-know,
many times when we didn 't have a joint on the table at the weekend.
marketing people,
maybe about seven or eight toilets you-know.
more children than he knew but they didn't talk about it in those days.
more cousins there.
more lads had been in all afternoon, but when other lads were coming,
more mature students doing the history part of the course,
mules at the back of the grand stand there.  Yes, army mules, yes (10.8).
n-- constant rows in the house because she didn 't do any practice.
nearly all Italian holiday makers there.  There was only one bus load of English people and that was us.
nine of us there, and we-- Sunday joints,
nineteen, a break, and then another six.
no airports up this end.
no bottles like there is now.
no boys passed.  There were four- four girls. There were four of us.
no cars about in those days, not a lot anyway.  There were so many bikes but
no children in (laughs).  T
no coats or jackets (inc).
no family allowances.  Er, to um...
no family, well, apart from distant relatives.
no flights from- I don't think
no Germans under thirty miles of the beach.
no Guest Houses in York.
none of the people that had gone to that in Scouting you-know.
none of these er, drills and not-
none of theses Mac-Donald parties and-things-like-that.  Um.
no nursery-schools in those days of course, you just went straight into school.
no planes to er-
no potatoes growing or any sugar-beet or owt like that.
no problems, no other repairs or-anything-like-that.
no problems with her.
no roads,
no taps.
no taps.
no treats for them.
not so many women then.
no vacuum-cleaners, well er-
no washing-machines, we had- we still have a peggy-tub down the garden there.
no women ministers.
nowt but hand tools and that and there was this drill,
n 't any Brubakers or anything in those days.
n 't any postcards as such  of views of Buckingham-Palace.
n 't as many sort-of instances as there are now
n't hotels like there is now.
n 't major problems.  But you-know.
n 't many countries of Europe, apart from the Eastern-bloc which we didn 't touch,
n 't the activities that we have now,
n 't the numbers in the community.
n 't too many people there.
nuns that ran this place.  It 's a newly built place er on the-.
obviously too many people in the house.
offices off there all the way round.
older brothers and sisters,
one or few characters round the city.
one or two bigger shops in York which have gone,
one or two bullies, school bullies.
one or two children that they could really afford things.
one or two killed in that area, and um, I think- I think- I do-- I think there were firemen killed.
one or two little raids and one very bad raid on York.
one or two married teachers when I was in school
one or two names we got stuck on you-know
one or two of those young boys there,
one or two other shops there.
one or two posts vacant at Chatham...
one or two schools that you could do that. Er Rowntree's were very good.
one or two that were very good at doing it, you-know,
only about four blokes so they put them all in these side rooms.
only about sixty, or seventy at that time.
only about twenty-four, twenty-six in their class.
only about two race meetings a year wasn 't there one, years and years ago.
only about two years between all of us you-know, so I-mean we were all qu-- er close in- in a way.
only a couple of years left, three years.  And but um-
only a hundred kids in there and then ch--
only fifteen months between us,
only five of us in North-Yorkshire in those days.  And there was two of us based in York.
only four of them.  It seemed funny.  Am I switched on?
only ninety-six houses in Stockton,
only really two choices an a-- um, (inc) factory, or the forces,
only seventeen months between the girls
only six English girls and
only the hard-heads that went back.
only three in just then.
only three in our family.
only three more in the school.
only three of them and
only three of us still nursing.
only twelve of us in this particular L-A-D
only two classes.
only two families I knew that had two children,
only two girls left, and then
only two going. Mary-Cook.
only two hundred students and men out--
only two of them.
only two of them survived, and he was only eighteen
only two people in our street
only two secretaries and - oh
other incidents, but not mm.
others involved as well because of it - this particular threat.
other ways of doing things if you like,
patrol-cars going past, we waved at them,
people lived in flats there above those shops.
people teaching lads to drive cars.  Wonderful show.
people to run to.  And there certainly weren 't playgroup and creche facilities.
people who became school teachers and-things-like-that
pictures as big as that blackboard of race-horses and things like that you know,
pigs down there and- killed all-that-sort-of-thing.
pill boxes on the road in case
plenty of them wanting you-know.
poor people around us.
post-mortems being done on the farm to see why the pig had died,
prisoners of war in the grand stand there.
probably half-a-dozen practicing you-know,
quarrels.  Harry, my husband, Harry-Brown,
quite a few.  And from that night on again that was one.
quite a few dance places wasn 't there.
quite a few older people. There were one or two people who 'd been regular soldiers and things like that.
quite a few weren 't there?
quite a lot about nineteen-forty-two when the blitz was on as it was called in York.
quite a lot of girls who were what they called outworkers.  They made the ships in their own home.
quite a lot that were very er very poor.
quite a number of dance halls wasn 't there.  There was one down Goodramgate.
radiators.  I 've never seen so many radiators in a house before!
reasonable number of jobs
record shops er- er- in York er-, Banks,
rows and stuff. Sometimes they left.  But yeah apart from that teachers were fine.
Scaffolders working up at the old Adam 's Hydraulics 'cos it was being pulled down.
seven-and-a-half-thousand employees at the York works, in nineteen-sixty-five.
seven bedrooms it was a big house.  And
seven-hundred-and-fifty pupils about.
seven - I think
seven of them survived.  A
shady characters round it wasn 't an obsessive thing
six.
six and seven after five but
six of them and they were eating er - they had a three course meal,
six, seven, there was about eight of us in that front bedroom.
sixteen so the joke went, so the story went ,
smaller offices,
so many.
so many girls of us, and-
so many people helping us with driving instructions and-all-this-sort-of-thing.
so many people there, but as soon as I saw Auntie-Janet,
so many.  So that was when we decided to look for somewhere,
so many things, and they weren 't going to be me, and I thought
so many - you-know lyke it 's really hard to get in at college doing Art
some big lads there and er, they were um,
some blokes there, th-- that- some blokes had been there forty odd
some boys there at the time and I think
some cases
some characters there.
some days um,
some er- well known in York, there was the er- De-Grey-Rooms a- by the Theatre-Royal.
some famous people in there, but I wouldn 't know them,
some funny people, but,
some girls um, maybe eighteen-ish and they were having these top bits done.
some houses there, you know where those new flats are now?
some local gentry lived in York in those days.
some lovely shops.  And all the picture houses of course have gone.
some nasty men around but a-- we never and our mothers didn 't worry about-
some nice people.
some nice people. You-know.
some nice people you-know.
some odd bods lived on the next street.
some of the boys from where you are came in too- oh they were great.  They were lovely boys.
some older lads with him and they were cheering him on to er to knock some walls down
some orange ones as well with- mixed with them.
some quite dangerous looking things there.
some really charming little Irish girls and they were good. You-know.
some rough men, er- down Walmgate on a Saturday night,
something like four-and-a-half hundred vehicles parked up on t square on a night.
something like four bottles of -
some very peculiar- people say about the things that happened in Germany
some younger men there doing- papering this room.
spittoons (inc) and the heating was one of those potbellied stoves.
s-- seven ...
stalls r-- all over you-know.  Full.
still a few pubs in Walmgate,
still people living in James-Street and they pulled all that down.
still plenty of jobs you-know.
still quite strong winds in this part, yeah but anyway it was on.
such things but.
't all that many cars about.
't all the uniformed organizations that there are now like Brownies and Guides and things,
't a lot of cars and things even then about,
't always  bulls, sometimes there was a few pigs, few sheep,
't any anywhere.
't any wages there.
't as many.
ten of them left.  And er-.
't enough chairs for John and he came home real  upset and hurt you-know.
't handouts like they are today you-know.
that many people doing it er-
the eggs.  Black, and the pan, burnt.
the people that owned the Press, the newspaper.
these big rockets in (inc) and er number eight
these concerts,
these four classes, and er, really it was lovely.
these great tall hats with loads of feathers.  They must have spent-.
these lads and they got chased by t' coppers
these offices at Headingley would be ideal.
these two lasses in t' back and he was riding down this old back lane,
these two lasses that used to be at school
these two other lads.
the two bo-- was they all boys?
the two halls.
things like er, whistdrives, pubs of-course.
things like that that happened.
things said by (inc.)
things that we could do.  Yeah
thirty boys.  Well, twenty-nine I got.
thirty of the (inc) in nineteen-fifty-nine.
thirty, thirty-two, thirty-four.
those rooms that umpteen people lived in.
thousands of lives lost through it,
three battalions really,
three big Massey-Fergie tractors came down from Major-Weeks farm
three black bull's heads on the coat of arms,
three black bull's heads on this coat of arms which was very unusual.
three fields to work.
three girls' grammars but one was Catholic.
three-hundred-and-eighty- I had three-hundred-and-eighty ladies,
three-hundred veg there you-know.
three little houses in.  And then
three lyke - psychiatric hospitals in York, you-know.
three more pools with lake water in them.
three of these.  And er-.
three of us at work, and these two got me into their cycling-club,
three of us. So all the time we were travelling
three-one, three-two, three-three.
three people interviewing you I think it was.
three things.
three white officers with them.
thr-- th-- three mills, B mill, C mill
tiered seats.  That just reminded me about this.
times like when a Policeman brought his cheque-book and said "Oh Seargant-Spence 's left his cheque-book."
times when I used to be worried and frightened about certain things, I mean everybody has that.
't many-
't many around.  And I think if she was going to the few that there were,
't many cars about.  Go onto the roads now, are not always very good.
't many did that in those days.
't many fashion shops in York at that time, always went through to Leeds,
't many nights of the week that there wasn 't anywhere to go at all.
't many people went further afield because er-
't many people with er- er-- electric-
't many stops were missed,
't so many people interested in walking.
't that many- there were about ten (inc.) and they all- all knew you.
't the big swimming baths in York that there are now.
't the major sort of bombings and stuff like that but there was orange men.
't trams then, we 'd converted to buses by then.  It was converted to buses.
't video-cameras in those days.
twenty at this- in this particular one.
twenty-two public houses, there's two now.
two aunts lived with us.
two barracks.  The barracks are still there.
two big er freezers right at the end.
two brothers, Dick and Bill-Midgely, who owned the big caravans
two daughters.
two dining-rooms - um
two double bedr-- two double beds,
two girls grammar-schools in York,
two incidents happening and I think the headmaster's ways were different to these teacher's ways.
two Miss-Woods they called them and their brother.
two of them at it.
two of us based in York.
two on Bishopthorpe Road and- and I didn 't know any more.
two or three books about lyke, and this was er, H-G-Wells's er, Shape-of-Things-To-Come.
two pubs round the corner from it, still there of course, the Brewer's-Arms and-
two rather sunburned er lady and gentleman
two regiments of troops in, so you can imagine!
um troops from all over countries all over the world you-know,
various posts dotted around the country
various times - it depended on the climate.
very few.
very few really that went to University.
walls.  Er- I-- I think the most time a window would probably get broken
was six of - I forgotten where it was though now.
wealthy Americans all about and-everything.
- what about twenty of us.
what, two radiators down there,
women  that er- a-- accepted that sort of thing.
you-know, some tragedies then.
you know them silly little concrete bollards about that tall,
youngsters there, stood under shower with beautiful figures,
youth-clubs.